The following letters correspond to the Model 4 Rolling Block Description: Rolling Block Rifle, takedown models began in 1901 as lever, then takedown screw in 1926 Introduction Year: 1890 Year Discontinued: 1933 Total Production: Approximately: 356,000 Designer/Inventor: F.A. JavaScript is disabled. Each rifle was delivered with a sling, a long bayonet, a three-pronged screwdriver, an oil bottle, a cleaning rod, and a muzzle plug to stop moisture from getting into the barrel. Furthermore, aside from REMINGTON'S marking on the tang, all have a crown on the left frame, chamber flat, and on each barrel band. The action was extremely strong, and could easily withstand the increased pressure of the new smokeless powders coming into use by the late 1880s. From 1888 until the end of production, REMINGTON ARMS COMPANY marked on tang which reflects the reorganization of the company. The Model 2 is easy to distinguish from all other Rem RB's by its curvature at the rear of the frame where it joins the buttstock. Minimum price for the offer must be greater than 0% of the Product. Ninety percent or more of both rifles and carbines were re-blued and refinished by the host country to a practically like new condition, complete with cosmoline. After leaving two wounded cowboys at the fort, Storys party of 28 pushed on, and in late October 1866, north of Fort Kearny, they faced even greater oddsan estimated 500 Sioux warriors readying for an attack. R2345 SERIAL NUMBER 96 REMINGTON 1-1/2 ROLLING BLOCK SPORTING RIFLE; 25-10 RF, 24 inch octagon barrel with a bright near excellent bore showing some light shadows ahead of the chamber and crisp rifling. The gun dealer I purchased the rifle from got it at a gun show I believe in Oklahoma. In 1899-1900, Mexico bought 14,712 of these military-style rifles and carbines for issue to its second-line army troops, as well as to federal and rural police. Two other Sioux attacks were also thwarted, and the cowboys completed their incredible drive with the loss of just one man. (this number may not be operations since Remington moved to the deep south). [7], A new Norwegian-Swedish arms commission set up in the 1880s suggested that the Norwegian M1884 Jarmann rifle should replace the m/1867 in both Norwegian and Swedish service but the Jarmann rifle was rejected by the Swedish Army since the 10.15x61mmR cartridge used by the Jarmann rifle was seen as being too little of an improvement over the 12.17mm cartridge used in the M1867 rifles. I have measured both and all of them measure about 1 5/16". We may never know. The stocks on the Model 2 have a distinctive bow or "perch belly" and come with a semi-crescent buttplate. With your rifle I killed far more game than any other single party [on the Yellowstone Expedition]while the shots made from your rifle were at longer range and more difficult shots than were those made by any other rifle in the command.I am more than ever impressed with the many superior qualities possessed by the system of arms manufactured by your firm, and I believe I am safe in asserting that to a great extent, this opinion is largely shared. Those were some of the comments made by Lieutenant Colonel George A. Custer in an October 5, 1873, letter to E. Remington & Sons of Ilion, New York, about the virtues ofand his satisfaction with his special-order Remington single-shot rolling-block sporting rifle in .50-70 caliber. CONDITION: The bore is smooth and bright with no signs of roughness. This is the best way to reach us. This variant of the Spanish Model is not common. https://www.historynet.com/the-remington-rolling-block/, Jerrie Mock: Record-Breaking American Female Pilot, These Blundering Bandits Didnt Wear Masks or Have an Escape Plan No Surprise They Blew This Railroad Heist, He Served the Army and Sitting Bull Well Both Before and After Facing Charges for Murder. Early slot extractor, three-band rifle with no provision for saber bayonet lug, leaf adjustable rear sight, spring held barrel bands. The M1867 rifle became very popular among civilian hunters in Sweden, particularly for moose hunting, which led to Husqvarna Vapenfabrik producing about 85,000 rifles with the M1867 rolling-block action for the civilian market, in addition to the more than 100,000 they made for the armed forces. by roundtop Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:15 am, Post When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. The official military designation for the cartridge was '12mm Remington' from 1879.[4]. This particular example has a 26" octagon barrel in caliber .32 rimfire. Standard original sights. manufactured after 1921. The U.S. Army had switched over to smokeless powder in 1892. Your low 3000 ser number would likely have been made in 1874. I wish I still had it. On 8/9/99, stopped stamping the barrels with the date code. Pattern (Modellexemplar), serial # 1. They had their agents convert these to .43 Spanish by shortening barrels to 33.875" and reaming chambers to accept smaller dimensions of Spanish cartridge. Named after the Spanish Civil Guard, but never been proven to be issued to them. Roughly 5,000 were modified in 1888 and 1891 into carbines, firing 8 mm rimmed centerfire ammunition. Carsten Schinke - Die leichten schwedischen Infanteriegewehre Armee und Heimwehr - Journal-Verlag Schwend GmbH - 1990, Carsten Schinke - Die leichten schwedischen Infanteriegewehre Armee und Heimwehr -Journal-Verlag Schwend GmbH - 1990, Carsten Schinke - Die leichten schwedischen Infanteriegewehre Armee und Heimwehr -Journal-Verlag Schwend GmbH -1990, Other nations used rifles with the Remington action too, this page lists some of them, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Remington_M1867&oldid=1051297001, This page was last edited on 22 October 2021, at 17:00. enable_page_level_ads: true
In the last year of the Civil War, the U.S. government placed an order for what became known as Remington split-breech carbines, just before Riders final improvementstrengthening the breechblock by machining it out of a solid billet of steel. The Remington Model 4 is a rolling block, solid-breech, hammerless, takedown, top-ejection rifle. John, this one has three lines. The revolver was 44 caliber and the cylinder could be removed for reloading, one of the first of its kind. Rider brought the new action along, and with his 1864 and 1865 patents, put it in its nearly perfect final form. These were made in Lige, Belgium, in .43 Egyptian calibre and were issued with a sword bayonet. Youll enjoy your membership in the most active gun club in America. While many of its single-shot, postCivil War peers had long since been discontinued, the Remington rolling block, with its modern heat-treated steels, made the transition into the future. In 1873, Japan ordered close to 2,400 of the Spanish Model rifles but demanded they be reamed and re-chambered to its in-country Remington caliber of 12.11mm Swedish Remington centerfire. These later versions may often be found in practically new, unissued condition with bright case colors. ILION NY. It is, however, the most commonly encountered of all Remington Rolling Block rifles in .43 Spanish caliber, as the Argentine government sold well over 25,000 to US surplus importers between 1959 and 1962. It has lots of interesting articles on Remington firearms, ammunition, collectibles and Remington history! A very reasonable explanation for why a rifle made in in 1874 might have an 1879 Plaque. JavaScript is disabled. All have spring retained three-band long saber bayonet lug. Only hard copy evidence is first contract of 30,000 rifles signed in London on 30 June, 1869, as the others were likely destroyed by a fire at Remington factory in 1939. The technical storage or access is strictly necessary for the legitimate purpose of enabling the use of a specific service explicitly requested by the subscriber or user, or for the sole purpose of carrying out the transmission of a communication over an electronic communications network. With the exception of the first 10,000 rifles and 20,000 actions (for conversions of older rifles), which were made by Remington in the US, all Remington M1867 rifles and carbines were made under license in Norway and Sweden, by Kongsberg Vaapenfabrik in Norway, and by Husqvarna Vapenfabriks Aktiebolag and Carl Gustafs stads Gevrsfaktori in Sweden with the two Swedish manufacturers producing about 80% of the weapons. Advertised until 1882. Serial number- N/A. We found some records of serial #s and years of production at the factory but they had serious conflicting information so would be of no help in establishing the exact year of production for your rifle. Advertised commercially from 1875 through 1902, this .43 Spanish caliber Remington Rolling Block accounts for largest number of production, with something over 1.5 million sold from 1869 to 1910. I have 3 other rollers, two no#5's and one #1. A sloppy firing pin/breeech fit greatly increases this hazard to the shooter. The gun was known for its reliability and accuracy and both Union and Confederate soldiers [], Be the first to review Remington Model 2 Rolling Block .32 Rimfire. A forum community dedicated to Rimfire Central Firearm owners and enthusiasts. Note: Standard Generic Spanish Model (add 20% if Long or Short combination bayonet lug is present). The first Remington rolling block introduced in the smokeless period was the Remington Model 1897. I'll bet it's real unique. Listed are the four sub-categories in addition to cataloged generic variants manufactured after 1874 and priced accordingly. The 12.17mm caliber was chosen because the Swedish army had approximately 30,000 new muzzle-loading M1860 and breech-loading M1864 rifles in 12.17mm caliber in stock, rifles that were suitable for conversion to M1867 rolling-block rifles. $ 999.00. Using these barrel codes to date a shotgun is somewhat unreliable, as shotgun barrels are often interchanged at random. They continued to mark the date code on the end flap of the shipping box. The Remington-Rider rolling block rifle is a 19th century design, patented around 1863 by a Remington employee named Leonard Geiger and improved over the next few years by Joseph Rider, who was the Remington factory superintendent. Simpson, O.H. When in excellent to very good condition, add 25 percent premium for M1896 in any caliber. The quickest identifying feature is the mounting of Breech Block and Hammer on screws rather than pins. For sale is a This is a no reserve penny auction for a Remington Model 2 Rolling Block single-shot rifle in .32 Rimfire. Prices below reflect the original Remington product. Houghton, J.O. If it is i've got one of the first no#5's. The hardest thing I had to do when I bought it was to keep a straight face when the gun shop owner asked if I would be willing to pay $60.00 for it. In 1964 an Ohio woman took up the challenge that had led to Amelia Earharts disappearance. google_ad_slot = "3335216935"; All have screw-retained barrel bands. 149,000 were purchased by France in the war of 1870-71. A forum community dedicated to the great outdoors and hunting enthusiasts. First April, 1897 catalog listed Remington's new Smokeless Powder Small Bore Military Rifle as Model 1896 until end of the year when it became Model 1897. Actions on this contract had serial numbers as well and date of 1868. HSH stamp on the left side of the stock. V1-C1 Barrel Length: 26 Bore condition: Fair, Your email address will not be published. Simpson, and O.H. Hi Clark, Nice rifle. Here is what Frank de Haas says in my copy of his book. Required fields are marked *. Sweden: 237,000-257,000 rifles and carbines, including conversions of older rifles to rolling block. Said I never had much use for one, never said I didn't know how to use it. Thanks in advance Tennessee Snuffy Posted January 22, 2020 This may be some help: https://www.gunandgame.com/threads/remington-model-6-date.122023/ These rifles had the locking-action (with half-cock safety) that was used in the Springfield Model 1871. It is great that all numbers match. My best guess would be 1896, 1897 or 1898. Stocks usually have unit markings and individual serial numbers. After the Jarmann M1884 replaced the M1867 as the main rifle in the first lines of the Norwegian Army, the M1867 was delegated to rear units until at least the mid-1890s. Remington No. So, it would appear your estimate is very close. Remington Rolling Block Sporterized 7x57mm Mauser 30" Barrel 8lbs 2oz 13 1/2" LOP Walnut Sporter Style Stock with Sling Swivels. Any Argentine Model without the stamping over the chamber, and having a short saber bayonet lug is one of 2,500 ultra-rare Honduran contract rifles, which were nothing more than modified surplus Argentine variants. Ironically, records show Argentina procured a small number of them. An expert rifleman, Remington claimed, could fire 17 shots a minute with the rolling-block rifle. [6], Both M1867's for civilian use and M1867's used by the Swedish Frivilliga Skarpskytterrelsen ("The Volunteer Sharpshooter Movement", patterned on the British Volunteer Force and numbering 40,000 men in 1865, all of them provided with military rifles and wearing military style uniforms by the Swedish armed forces) were made for, or converted to, centerfire 12.1744mmR cartridges since, unlike the 12.1742mm rimfire cartridges used in the military, the centerfire cartridges could be reloaded. Prices for these three-band rifles are basically high in any condition. Numbers appear limited and were advertised in factory catalogs dated as late as 1882. Surplus military rifles were also sold to civilians, most them being converted to 12.1744mmR centerfire cartridges. The frame is a small to medium size between the heavy actions of the target and military rifles but larger than the small-frame .22 rifles. In any case, the cowboys used the Remingtons effectively in fighting off an Indian attack near Fort Reno (in what would become Wyoming). by Uechi Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:07 pm, Post By the end of World War I, rolling blocks had been left in the dust; yet during the Depression years, hunters and miners still used them. Required fields are marked *. (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({ This was a generic Remington Rolling Block chambered for .50-70 Government cartridge, with 36" barrel and three barrel bands. Norwegian-Swedish rifle m/1867, from the initial batch of M1867 made by Remington in the US, Swedish rifle m/1867, made by Carl Gustafs Stads Gevrsfaktori, Swedish rifle m/1867-74, introducing a new more comfortable buttstock, Swedish rifle m/1867-89 in 858mmR Danish Krag centerfire, Swedish carbine m/1864-68-85 for artillery, train and others, Norwegian rifle M1867, made by Kongsberg Vaapenfabrik, A collection of rifles from the Fram Museum, a Remington M1867 at the bottom. Many may well have been re-chambered during the 1960s re-barreling craze of surplus rolling block rifles and carbines. For sale is a This is a no reserve penny auction for a Remington Model 2 Rolling Block single-shot rifle in .32 Rimfire. The only receiver markings are the Remington patent dates, ending in 1871, on the upper tang. In 1867, the United Kingdoms of Sweden and Norway was the first military to adopt the rifle as the standard military rifle. It was made from left-over Model 1871 rolling block pistol receivers, and resulted in a very well balanced rifle for short-range shooting. Those having 75 percent case colors or more will reap the higher price accordingly. The earliest is a very early #1 Sporting rifle in .44SBN, with set trigger. If you are correct then the stock is not original to the serialized parts or the rifle was made special order from parts at the factory made in 1874. As usual, I was wrong. A tremendous amount of variation exists here, with differences as indicated below. Come join the discussion about optics, ammo, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, hunting, accessories, classifieds, and more! For several hours, the cowboys kept up a steady stream of fire from the rapid firing rolling blocks and forced the Sioux to retreat. The rolling block action has poor gas handling design in case of a blown primer. Remington pressured Greece into canceling their contract to reap a higher price from the French. The serial number is in the low 3,000 range. Hunters, lawmen, adventurers, homesteaders and many others appreciated the strong, accurate and well-made Remington rolling block. The standard rifle received the Swedish designation "gevr m/1867" (and a version with only minor differences the designation "gevr m/1867-68"). Not a common item due to their post war distribution to numerous French colonial areas as Indo-China etc. For questions about our inventory, please write to: leroy@merzantique.com, Designed by Elegant Themes | Powered by WordPress. The configuration is a three-band rifle with a 36-inch barrel, and trigger-guard mounted rear sling swivel. If only rifles could talk, neat, I saw a rifle with that plaque many years ago. Essentially a Spanish Model rifle, with two bands and 30.5" barrel, all chambered for .43 Spanish cartridge. Swedish m/1867 rifle.