In addition to this, the flat parts are not flat by any (ANY) means. Obviously you get a hammer and chisel and cut off a chip of the model to be sent off for testing. Last update was at 2017/08/22 23:31:49, This message was edited 1 time. or have you forgotten about the atrocious quality that was Citadel Finecast, here despite the shit quality we still saw an increase in price. I think theres one thing that need to be said here regardless of ip. is it going to cause the game to completely vanish if the company were to shut down ? 113 comments. If you would like to change your settings or withdraw consent at any time, the link to do so is in our privacy policy accessible from our home page.. Those are the nice guys who brought us age of sigmar, which made great armys obsolete and huge investmenst of time and money into them void. We are actually preparing another post about that specific issue you are mentioning because that is a topic that will also lead to a huge discussion! No saving throws can be made against mortal wounds. Speaking strictly GW, it is hard to say what effect recasting is having. This is exacerbated by them constantly suing companies for IP infringement like the Spot the Spacemarine case. But, from my experience, smaller manufactures like Andrea, and Pegaso, and Scibor, and Blacksmith, etc. Finally, are you sure you arent a recaster? Some companies sell their original 28mm figures for less than 1.50 yet other companies sell theirs for 8. New 40k, AoS, & More: GWs Release Preview LATEST, Orks & Christmas Bundle White Dwarf November 2018, GW Confirms Old World Coming Soon With a New Square Base Size. There are always dodgy casts of legit figures, sometimes quality control isn't great. Why, then, does FW (who run a much smaller operation, fewer employees, use silicon moulds rather than the hundred thousand pound plastic ones) charge 40 for a box of 10 Krieg Troopers? She has seen and killed so many enemies, that The War has turned into The Game for her. @Greg. Here in Spain we call it Chinoforge, the one that pretty much everyone has heard of. People who use recast try to paint GW as the bad guy and the others that protect GW dont want to have a conversation or rationalize their thoughts. These artists work hard. western companies sell out their own customers and citizens with foreign labor then cry about IP, its a joke. After realizing that I messed up, I went back and tried to change some things up. Would rather see painted recast then another unpainted model. No it is killing the cinema. Detail is not lost when buying from larger recasters. However, by doing so we are ignoring the damage that this does to the industry behind this hobby of ours. It is the same, in my opinion, as downloading movies and music that you havent paid for the right to see. Ajouter au panier. They take all the financial risk to give a miniature its origin, why shouldnt they be entitled to make an honest living? people who dont play a game ultimately kill the game/hobby. The quality is just as good as forgeworld, sometimes you need to add a little greenstuff though but the same goes with forgeworld models. Raging-on-the-Inside Blood Angel Sergeant. Otherwise they would not be on eBay every time you open up to search for something. The Warhammer World is Just Awesome. a 6th edition metal dwarf throne of powers market price on ebay is now around 160, thats way beyond the reach of most hobbyists, definitely out of the reach of kids. Now we have to spend 40 on a family trip to the cinema. Recast companies will be making more profit than the small indies as they dont have any other costs. Without remorse, there was a supplier that recasted the catalog of Games Workshop and Forgeworld reselling it at a ridiculous price. The main attraction of 40k is the miniatures, but there are also many video games, board games, books, ect. Also, if you think this is going to destroy GW, check out their profit margins in their annual business reports. You are stealing. They are the backbone of the operation and have done this for years to create wonderful minis as well as a great line of paints. Buy It Now Fight for the Far Future Continue with Recommended Cookies. And thats what will happen if recasts become a thing. Soon they will be 3D scanning and 3D printing and mass producing making more profit. One other thing, while r/yoyhammer gives out advice- be very careful with your questions. will they invest in all the new technology? This model can be equipped with 1 hunter-killer missile. Warhammer 40k is a franchise created by Games Workshop, detailing the far future and the grim darkness it holds. @ Greg Smith: That attitude is killing the hobby. clearly you have no idea about running a business you think that when you buy a model you pay just for resin ? Like any economic entity, they need to obey the law of supply and demand ACROSS their customer base. An example of data being processed may be a unique identifier stored in a cookie. And dont forget about the spacedwarfs aka squats. if you have any amount of your purple bar, you can shoot and drain the bar. Not because GW has a better product, but because GW will sue the crap out of anyone who makes a model that looks similar to a GW model. Usually, double mold lines. The 9th Edition of 40k is going to be open and crowd sourced by the players, for the players, for the betterment of the game instead of lining GWs pockets. Tbh I wish there was a quality metal recaster of late 90s early 2000s WFB, or that gw would just sell the moulds/ip so I could get the models I want. And what about the companies (from small to big) that produce miniatures based on comics/movies/books/games/characters/ without paying for a license? share. They were available on the ebay site of the Chinese network named Taobao. Look at Rackham from 10 years ago. A lot of resin has to be removed, rectified and even replaced with putty. Ok fair enough, our companies are small and action costs. But what about the giant press they had to design and manufacture. I totally understand how the purchasing of recasts of existing stock is hurting miniature companies, but what do you think about the recasting of long out of production (10 years plus) miniatures? CDCR CLOTHING. As a former game store employee I will say this: the amount of players that get discouraged from even trying to enter the hobby because of GWs prices makes me sad (it is a lot). Once properly modeled, assembled, and painted- it can be harder to tell. You stole it. I look forward to you trying that defence in court. You stole the rights to that model. What would you do about it if you found out that the army was made of recast models? Now im buying tons of big recasted models. Not the original miniature companies.. Theyre entitled to make a profit sure and Im entitled to shop around. (and yes I know, I'm a pleb for useing a recast site but I'm poor so leave me be), Scan this QR code to download the app now, https://legionforge.com/the-horus-heresy.html. The bearer can only shoot with each hunter-killer missile it is equipped with once per battle. Gift List. You have not idea about, a totally ignorant. I saw two boxes containing miniatures (new Underworlds expansions and Blackstone Fortress expansion), both containing miniatures, both labeled as "Made in China". Its common knowledge, but still kind of a secret. Thank you for your patience with this matter. It's hard for me to take issue with recasters. Now it raise an other thing literally pissing me off if I may, due to that misinformation, we legit hobbyist/painters in China are also punished with blatant racism by most of the European brands (especially those from Spainsorry guys). Even so, this work is not enough to come even close to the original. 2.8k. If you plan on punishing players (and I mean PUNISH them) when you compare what you offer for what other reasonable vendors offer, you find re-castes are a result of your own actions. Game workshops prophit have been that big that instead of making their models cheaper for their customers they gave their staff a 2 thousand pounds bonus ( tax purposes) so boo hoo if the greedy fuckers are losing in the grand scale of things pocket change. It looks all of you here have enough money to afford 300 pounds a month to spend on models. This scourge of the hobby is a worldwide problem. See yourself for historical games, for the Warlord Games company. and everything else. That does not mean I only buy from a recast seller , but expensive and big models worth of the discount . For a better comparison, I have cleaned all the copies of excess resin and plastic. Recasting isnt a side effect of greedy companies, I have known some companies unable to meet rent and worse still some have gone out of business. why is it that if I spend 70 on a primarch from forgeworld, I have to send at least 3 or 4 of those parts back to be exchanged because of mould slips or just general terrible casting and I will likely have to return one of the replacements they send me too. Engaging with Warhammer can be very educational, and . As expected, the pieces to assemble are the same as the original. In the case of this piece, originally from Forgeworld, I had a small problem with the recasters. If you happen to know of any second hand recast seller, or on-line store selling these fake products, we encourage you to contact the corresponding company affected so they can take proper measures against it. It leaves you a very salty taste. Warhammer 40,000: Battlesector is a fast-paced turn-based strategy game set in the grimdark universe of the 41st Millennium. Carry on playing, or end the game there and then? The price of the cinema these days is ridiculous. Right now, a few companies simply stopped selling to Russia as their figures instantly get listed on pirated stores. Declare targets of the charge (must be within 12"). I dont want to be pointing finger, but we cannot choose to ignore part of IP basic principles, and focus on some others. We and our partners use cookies to Store and/or access information on a device. Its not difficult to find recasts, or at least, know where to look for them. One scratch and the cd buff is gone. Thought for the day: Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment. You arent using a recaster, he is using you. We maintain dealerships with many quality companies, including Walthers, Digitrax, and NCE. Its come to a point that, as I said before, this damage can only be prevented by us, the consumers. Nor is an active and enterprising collaborator of many projects related to our community, contributing with ideas, work on social networks and the Internet. My FLGS is not GW. The models they had to sculpt digitally and then cast in a way they would both fit in the box, and be easy to mass produce. during the month, more than 5 times the quantity that me (the creator, designer and fighter) sold the same month. We are always keen to ensure continuous improvement of our processes, so you will be involved in researching and identifying new ways for Games Workshop to approach infringing and counterfeit product removal and implementing improvements to the infringements process.. The Battle Honours programme kickstarts their journey into the worlds of Warhammer. With lots of great listings on ebay and tons more stuff at our Mt. Instead of looking into the business that are in the climate (and possibly are the reason for the climate being the way it is) we try to cancel culture those in the hobby. Ile De France, France Closes: May 11, 2023 Apprentice Tool Designer. If charge successful, models make their charge move. Please fill out the following fields to login: Username. The current situation especially benefits those people who kept their stuff in boxes rather than paint/assemble/game with them, essentially those who buy the product but dont take part in the hobby. Somone else will reinvent a more reasonable wheel. 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So if, when determining how many attacks are made with that weapon, the dice rolled results in less than 3 attacks being made, make 3 attacks instead. Core/possible items on riven: Hydra Goredrinker (only mythic for bruiser, dusk/eclipse/prowler are situationally possible for assassin riven) There is no better way to understand the lousy quality of these recasts than by putting them in front of their originals. Reporting to our Senior Legal Counsel, you will be part of our Legal team which handles a wide range of legal matters which affect Games Workshop including infringements, trade mark and copyright protection, competitions, dispute resolution and litigation, to name but a few! Warhammer Age of Sigmar: Malign Sorcery $80. We pay so that the company we like so much is able to surpriseus again in the future with yet another piece to continue enjoying our hobby. Warhammer Sales Assistant (part time 24hrs): Warhammer World, Nottingham UK. There was a demand so the pirates appeared they sell cheaper and often better quality. They were producing beautiful miniatures (crazy complicated game) but they were cut the margins too thinly. Too draconian prices. You guys do a great job on this site/blog. I have to necro a bit here. Its very easy to make an illegal copy of a miniature, especially if the country where its made has bad labour policies. Games Workshop wont disappear. Its inevitable anyways in the next 5 years with 3D printing. Toggle navigation FIPRApp Obviously, as you will see now, the original copy hasvery good quality in every detail. If you are honestly trying to peddle such nonsense as recast being better than originals you are either seriously deluded or an outright liar! blackmarketminiatures.org online-store where you can buy miniatures of Warhammer, Infinity, Helldorado, Malifaux, Rackham, Dark Age, Kingdom Death, Dark Lands, Warmachine, Avatars Of War and other game universes.. They tried to grow way too fast and their main game had waaay to many units and thus huge costs to cover it. Easiest way to spot them is with a hairdryer. We and our partners use data for Personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. Sorry, I do not. Explore Scope and Practice. But theyre not paying hundreds of thousands of pounds for a plastic mould. Yes recasts are stealing IP but until GW treats us in a respectable manner, they garner no respect from us and therefore I couldnt care less about their IP. Alecs is really right for all that fantasy models he refers were sculpted by artists and then casted to mass production, usually in metal and made of thick components. Most knockoff resin reeks, and on some it can even be detectable after paint has been applied. Some of our partners may process your data as a part of their legitimate business interest without asking for consent. LET THEM sink. If your opponent goes nuts over the price, likely they were legitimate models. If you say because of the recent boom of recasting being available you would expect GW to be affected in some way? Do they source their injection molds from Australian materials and Mexican labor? Chalk it up to male vs female framework and it works, otherwise not really noticeable. SHOW COLLECTION BACK TO GREATER GOOD HQ resin miniature in 40k Heroic scale with 25mm Scenic base. save. You have entered an incorrect email address! Blaming the pirates did not work for the music or film industries, it will not work here either. I hope the author never watches streaming movies or mp3s. You speak of donning the black of duty for the red of brotherhood; but it is the black of rage you shall wear when the end comes. She has seen and killed so many enemies, that The War has turned into The Game for her. In addition, as you will see later, the casting is not good and irregular surfaces of material are very evident. The person being greedy here is you. As you see, this is nightmarish no matter how you look at it. While actual models are 3D printed from a computer file done by a minimun wage payed designer and then casted the most hollow and thin possible to minimize costs and reduce durability. hell do they even pay their staff a decent wage. This models multi-lasers can each be replaced with one of the following: 1 heavy bolter; 1 heavy flamer; 1 lascannon. All of my recasts are better quality that forgeworkd or other manufacturers. I dont agree with that it is stealing, its models I would never buy anyway. A new players guide, contributors welcome, DS:70+S+G++MB+IPw40k86/f+D++A++/cWD64R+T(T)DM+. But Gillen, whose latest book, Die, is loosely inspired by his own experience playing the Warhammer role-playing game in his teens, says things have changed. The China Warhammer recaster known as CDR recently announced that they are: shutting down business for good and that a handful of people are buying all their master molds. (Especially on things where it's hard to get paint in every nook and cranny, or vehicles where there won't be paint applied to the inside, like most tanks.). We have new vide. Your email address will not be published. Welcome to CDR s Yard eBay Store. They should be 30% of that and maybe nobody would copy that. I am relatively new to the hobby maybe 4 years now and get the argument from each side. You can call people that buy recasts thieves I hope you enjoy your elitist hobby with the few people that can afford to play it. About 8,000 points of Black Legion Gallery. You stole the profits from a miniature company that puts food on their table, heats their homes, takes their kids to sports events/cinema (more on this in a min)/etc. But if we want to talk about greed; innefficient capital structures like the massive litigious company games workshop has become cant talk and the average human animal forced into a capitalistic system also cant be blamed. Most sources of CDR are multiplicative, except Swiftness, magic stream and judgment. I do not buy such copies for moral reasons, but I will not buy original figurines. All Rights Reserved. You guys did a great job and have earned a new loyal customer, please keep up the great work!!! Models cannot be set up within Engagement Range of enemy models. And I firmly put the blame into the hands of piracy aka stealing. Their miniatures are good-quality. So the person being greedy here is you. Each time an attack is made with this weapon, that attack automatically hits the target. We are talking about recasts: illegal copies of miniatures. This was my first purchase from this site, and I can say will not be my last. Discussions, strategies, stories, crude cave-drawings, and more for Medieval 2, Empire, Shogun 2, Rome 2, Attila, Thrones of Britannia . Re-rolls are applied before modifiers (if any). Umm. I have about 400 original models and tons of scenery stuff etc so ive spent a fortune. Really you are the idiots here supporting such a corporation. I know I've been sold knock offs two times. GW going out of business would be the best thing in the world for the hobby. Its material has still some margin for manipulation, as opposed to the one in the recast copy. You know what happens? Yes. We arent saying you shouldnt buy alternate versions of models that you can use in your tabletop games. Specifically, the CDR has: As a general rule of thumb, most vanilla units are in 4-6 unit sets. A model makes attacks using the close combat weapon profile if it has no other melee weapons. It is very bad quality, hard plastic etc. All names, trademarks, and images are copyrighted by their respective owners. Available to Order. After all, they also pay the same fees and have lots of competition. There are sticky areas and others that are shiny showing where the resin has not properly cured because of a bad preparation mixture. Continue with Recommended Cookies, A major recaster in China is closing up shop after being contacted by Games Workshop regarding their Warhammer. This hybrid construction, formed from a FRP shell and a polymer concrete ring and cover, delivers a strong and abriasion-resistant product suitable for your underground enclosure needs. Smell it. FWs resin is also crap and brittle, not sure what your point is there. Youre a thief. Unfortunately, the quality of their products leaves much to be desired. But, we have permission to still embroider 5.11 items. The figure in the picture (Nash) Sold 32 uni. How can anyone claim the second company is not greedy, and yes the second company gets targeted by pirates and the first doesnt. By subscribing you confirm that you are over the age of 13 or have consent . Despite asking them to send me the fake Venator model, they sent me the normal fake Tauros model, a shorter version than the one I requested. Units that Fall Back cannot charge this turn. The cost of your model is not only resin, but a sum of the voice, buy from a recaster and you are a thief like the recaster itself. Especially when taken out of context or without a clue of whats going on here Sure there are Chinese recasters, unfortunately I hate to break it to you, but all of the biggest and well known recasts world wide produced here are made by westerners Bummer. Wait how is this killing the hobby ? that are all connected in the 40k universe. I/ve got some Dropfleet Commander kitbashes now. This is why you cant get preorders this one reseller probably bought over 200 boxes. 33% of the original, and with a positive experience in my pocket Im more likely to stick into the hobby, which means more long term profits. Recommended Products For The Miniatures Hobby! Come back soon, our inventory changes all the time. The more people there are who are anticipating the reveal of new stuff are there because there is an established community and it only gets better the bigger the community is. There are precedents in Russia where local manufacturers took re casters to court and won damages, so it isnt an issue of legal vacuum in those countries, its inability or non willingness to pursue action. This subreddit is for anything and everything related to Warhammer 40k. Liste de cadeaux. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. The consent submitted will only be used for data processing originating from this website. Subscribe. Recasting is a side effect of greedy companies or individuals that take hobby members for granted. Otherwise leave that unchecked. You are completely right about this. These artists may not be local, but they are the ones putting all of their time and effort into bringing you these wonderful creations, only to be outdone by a random recaster. Astra Militarum vehicles are so rugged and robust that damaged systems can be temporarily pushed beyond their limits in extremis. So recast companies will push this margin further and further. Copies from recasters, most of the time from China, are at first glance an option to acquire otherwise expensive miniatures at affordable prices. Seriously, those copies are better quality than originals looking only on those pictures. Due to 5.11's new guide lines, we can no longer offer 5.11 products because we are web based seller only. If you have 30% cdr on a career skill and you press f, then the bar will immediately start at 30% full. The assumption that any money spent on recasts would have gone to GW is incorrect. Recasts and piracy, in general, is suddenly on the rise across the hobby as a whole, as other manufacturers and independent artists are also starting to take a hit. Many other companies offer products as good as theirs or even better for a lower price. Text or call our business cell at 360-391-1926 We buy, sell, and trade just about anything New or Used. Anyone reading this would be excused from thinking that any cheap kits from a country other than china are OK. Units that Fall Back cannot shoot or manifest psychic powers this turn unless they are. Theyre decent sculpts, decent quality minis. Rackham died because they didnt know how to run a business. Not me. So what Jag is saying is if something is more expensive than he wants to pay, he is justified in stealing it. CDR. Salaries of their employees are probably atrociousand, above all, they undermine the business of proper companies endangering their countinuity. However, basically its the same piece, without any add-ons, so it works to do the comparison. However, I bring up a different point the recasters, who are using what amounts to slave labor in the sweatshops working with toxic resins? Until the end of your opponent's next turn, while that unit Sets Overwatch, it also Holds Steady. For the people threatening to beak people's property quit hidding behind the Internet trying to be macho. Kitbashed and painted for a recent commission project. that is a crap attitude, and glad I dont know you and have anything to do with you. There is online payment and worldwide shipping. Astra Militarum Boarding Actions Battle Tactic Stratagem, Astra Militarum Strategic Ploy Stratagem. It's their job to introduce people to our hobby and help them fulfil their Warhammer aspirations. Even so, I think this issue began with Chinese copies of Forgeworld references. After games workshops 150 million EXTRA prophit in 2018 Im not sure that recasting is harming the hobby in the slightest. As evidenced with comments, for a lot of folk price is the issue and they will choose alternative, albeit poor quality. If you would like to change your settings or withdraw consent at any time, the link to do so is in our privacy policy accessible from our home page.. Their heart is closer to their craft, and I could not justify owning their product while paying someone else for it. That is the price ofany original model. Enter your email to get the very latest - news, promotions, hobby tips and more from Games Workshop. Its all for love. Each time that model makes an attack with that weapon, add 1 to that attacks hit roll. This model can be equipped with one of the following: 1 heavy stubber; 1 storm bolter. Specially trained soldiers lace the ground ahead of their defences with all manner of incendiary charges, mines and razored snares. I have original models, but only because I discovered only recently about recast and I will definitely go this way. Both have exactly the same parts. No? Lets look at Netflix, people didnt think streaming would have as big of an effect as it did as before that everyone blamed everything on pirating.

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