One of the things the U.S. Armed Forces learned in Vietnam was the importance of guarding against mold and insectsleather handles had deteriorated quickly in the jungle. The M1918 mk1 is kept and distributed while stocks last. large bakelite pommel and multiple spacers. A change was made in June 1960 to weld the pommels to the tang end. Pommels were the traditional birds-beak design or flat of steel, plastic or wood. the M3 and the M4 reproductions. A knife for sale on Frank Trzaska's site shows a sheath with the same care instructions stamped into it, with the knife keeper in a different location. 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One of the most commonly asked questions is "How much is my fighting knife worth?". The M3 was later replaced by the M4 bayonet for the US M1 rifle. This exact knife is pictured on page 103 of Mike Silvey's WWII Book.. . View on eBay. I know what I have and I got a good history lesson, Copyright 2004-2023 allaboutpocketknives.com, AAPK Tips and Tricks -- An Illustrated FAQ Forum on Steriods, Knife Lore - Traditional Knives From the Old Days, Cattaraugus Cutlery Collector's Forum, Great Eastern Cutlery (GEC) Collector's Forum, Robeson Cutlery Company Collector's Forum, Schatt & Morgan Knife Collector's Forum, Knife Related Creation, Modification, And Restoration Forums. Speechless Q31: An almost twin to item number two above but this one surely wasn't in Vietnam unless it was with a tourist. The pommel was flat steel and pinned to the tang. 5665: Early 12/29/1939 prototype of the new Camillus design Shop for Camillus Knives & Read Knife Reviews. To make things more simple, the initial production of the 5-inch hunting knives were bright blades for most all contractors. When speaking with them, make sure youre clear that youre not looking to sell. My goal is to provide helpful information about old pocket knives relating to their identification and history. The knife company was resurrected in 2009, and they continue to use the last tang stamp till today. $149.99. That doesn't make it right, it just makes it how they were found from poor This is what Camillus was thinking about at the end of the war, Many people think this was when Adolph founded the Camillus knife company, but that is not so. Acme United Corporation bought the companys brand name and intellectual property rights, relaunching the Camillus brand in 2009. Note that the letters are all in caps & italic. Hoping to try and date them but I am finding conflicting information. Got an old Camillus knife from my dad today. (see photos). room when the company was auctioned off. rivets. and took them with me when the auction was over. S-3647 A prototype that was to have a 10 MM screw compass CONDITION MUST LQQK. Many observers say it was for quartermasters, with the Q standing for quartermaster. Carried in Vietnam we doubt it. I personally looked into every draw and found these However, that beauty does come with some challenges in telling the exact era that the knife is from. This is when Camillus re-designed their screw top pommel. It was held in place with a steel washer pinned to the tang. Wadsworth and Dixon were all house brands of Kastor. knives under boxes and paperwork. The earliest Camillus factory experimental 6 inch Jet Pilot Because of this, an exact dating system is impossible. So far I have not found the S card for Cutting blades and manicure blade all have good open and 1988 Jumbo Brown Bone Camillus Trapper Made for the NKCA No Box , Never Carried Nice Brown Bone Handles with no Chips or Cracks Has Original Factory Edge TANG STAMPS: CAMILLUS CUTLERY CO CAMILLUS NY TANG STAMPS: USN MARK 2 CAMILLUS NY, NORD 6581 BMCO 7 . They all now have similar appearances, a conformity if you will. If you look closely at it the tang stamp is for an early example of that fullered blade, and so far is the only example of one with this style hilt that I've run across. 1200 dozen made in Our fellow member Frank Trzaska wrote about these knives most recently, I think, in his February 2014 article in Knife World entitled "The USAAC 5" Hunting Knife". Engineers. and steel domed rivets but with a different grind from above. silver. Both came with flat steel, aluminum or mottled-brown-plastic pommels. If you dont have both the repro and original side by side, you might not be able to tell the difference sometimes. There is a variation of a Parkerized blade Camillus MARK 1 with no branch of service markings, (Cole III, pg. capt14k, brass rivets, Another Kent with stagged bone and small brass domed Camillus used different sized stamps on their MK1s, believe there were 3 distinct sizes. If a soldier depends on a knife, then citizens also depend on that knife. There won't be any pommel markings on this one. Knives for Tactical, Military & Combat Use Tactical knives come in a variety of shapes and sizes, but share basic qualities. The blade markings are not specified on the Camillus drawing. Camillus Sizzle Folding Knife. You can view others with full length line below. Add to Cart. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/295814-5-inch-hunting-and-sheath-knives/?hl=%2Bpilots+%2Bknife&do=findComment&comment=2377348, http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/111421-odd-camillus-usn-mark-1/?hl=%2Bpilots+%2Bknife&do=findComment&comment=830644, http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/200448-questions-on-a-bright-blade-camillus-mark-1/. A metal tip was added. SEE PICS Firstly, Adolf Kastor (Camillus, XLNT, Germania) just to name a few, oh and A.W. It would use the current fiberglass M8A1 sheath, the same sheath in issue for the M7 bayonet. Note that the letters non-italic & the underline extends the full length of the letters in the word "CAMILLUS". The knife featured stacked leather handles, double-sided steel guards, and flat steel pommels. I have not Each contractor had their personal signatures, better described as authorized deviations. The company quit referencing the date after 1915, but started back up in its later days preceding bankruptcy. Make sure to stop by the AAPK store & shop for Camillus knives when your done here. business. Bright blade (no property mark) initial production referred to as a 5-inch hunting knife, bright blade USN now referred to as the Mark 1, USN ricasso stamped with parked blade (corrosion resistant treatment compliance), late procurements with applied MARK 1 ricasso stampings. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The Mark I probably the World War II military knife encountered most in the marketplace. It is said to have been used on knives manufactured from the early 1930s to the mid 1940s. He started importing and selling German-made knives to his U.S. audience. Late 1944 production through till contracts were completed or cancelled in 1945, you find those knives more alike or much more similar characteristics. Knife shows signs of having been sharpened a few times but blade is still pretty full. bone and 1466 dozen made in stagged Rosewood. The latest dated pommel stamped Camillus 5733 is 3-1985. But so many times the answer can be quite complicated. If you dont go to knife shows, you might also have some luck with veteran knife collectors in your locale. The lower leg/quillon was marked on the front with a capital M in a circle over the number 4. The new design M3 weighed 9 ounces finished. Pilot Survival Knife MIL-K-8662(AER). Thank you for the information glennbad. Any | Privacy. Charlie I happen to agree with your take here. We offer a wide range of products, including pocket knives, folding knives, kitchen knives, hunting knives, wood carving knives, and multi-tools. Its total length is 292mm (11 5/8 inches). Thank you zzyzzogeton you are very helpful. They were also overridden by poor management decisions, culminating in a six-month workers strike in 2007. It's an American made Camillus single blade jack with stagalon scales. View on eBay. The similarities to Mark I knives are obvious, but they were procured and manufactured under different contracts and specifications. Heavily used Camillus hunter, possible returned to the Note that the Camillus brand emerged from bankruptcy in 2009, but this page will remain dedicated to the pre-bankruptcy knives. Mark 1s by Colonial had injected plastic handles. existence. Our tactical knives include a range of folding, fixed blade and neck . Knives Australia - We sell high quality Military Knives, Camping Knives and Tactical Knives online Australia wide. By 1876, after his uncles company had to close shop due to poor sales figures, Adolph charted out a new path for himself. The U.S. M3 knife was manufactured by 9 different companies: Aerial (Aerial Cutlery mfg.co. ) Vintage Camillus U.S.A. American Wildlife Series Charging Bear Lockback knife 10D. Find out more below. This is the knife as adopted, kept for the Robeson (Robeson Cutlery co.) --> 36 575 pieces, Later in the war the U.S.S. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The Cattaraugus 225-Q had one of the strongest blades of any World War II combat knife. Both marked CAMILLUS over N.Y. but the one on the left the font is larger. Its width is 21.8mm (21.8mm) and thickness is 4.5mm (4.5mm). Sword Brand Stockman 78. piece, they were never made in WW II. The guard was a little wider than the one on the World War II knife. I guess some where bent for personal preference. I have 2 Camillus Knives that are similar but different. forces were gone by 1973. The M3 had many variations, including added spacers at the guard and pommel end, or piening the tang over to hold the pommel in place as opposed to pinning the pommel onto the tang. Think of it this way, property markings came later in the assembly process only after a formal guidelines were established. About 3 3/4" long. Camillus started making the JPSKs in 1959. If you are interested in the Camillus M4 This tang stamp was used by Camillus from 1946 to 1950. The knives illustrated in Post #5 could had been fabricated in that transitional phase, or part of sample packs for the Navy salt spray tests, but just a theory. Shortly after its bankruptcy, the brand name was purchased & re-launched by Acme United Corporation. . The Camillus Cutlery Company was one of the oldest knife manufacturers in the United States as its roots date back to 1876. Navy didn't agree. Sign up for a new account in our community. Way cool! Here is an example what I'm talking about, this is the grouping of Mark 1 knives with the designation of MARK 1 on the ricasso and treated blades. When Camillus started remaking their WW2 style USMC marked knives for the civilian market- they changed the bade grind near the tip, and marked USMC on the blade along with a more modern civilian Camillus cutlery marking. is the only one that survived the Marines. Camillus stagged bone grips with brass pins. One of the nice things about this forum is having so many eyes available for looking. Camillus (Camillus Cutlery co.) --> 404,109 pieces, by DTM1973 Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:29 am, Post I assume my knife has the 6in blade though it measures 5 3/4. This link will bring you to AAPK's Camillus specific image gallery. Knife collectors and dealers should still have those catalogs if you can find them. In my estimation I would not include the Camillus 5 inch blades with fullers in a discussion about Navy Mark I knives. Some of these washers have a smaller diameter in order to form grooves to facilitate gripping. Era" knife. Guard marked -> Manufacturer's name + Type ex: PAL USM3, 4th Type marking : Going into 1944, treatment of the blades became more prevalent in the manufacture. ONE CAMILLUS 1960 US Military Survival Pocket Knife . 43 knives in total, all from the showroom. I read they started dating these in the late 60s. Pilots Knife Made by Camillus. the Above JPK and the Marbles in the 1953 to 1957 time frame. The smaller Sharks were issued to Navy and Army Air Corps pilots as a bailout knife. SEE PICS Made in USA knife (looks like a Camillus#21), 2 7/8" long Peanut pattern. Model number 5686. Q30: WW II Prototype made for the 6 inch Hunting knife This is an Official Boy Scouts of America knife made by Camillus here in the USA. The M3 was originally distributed with the M6 leather sheath (M6 Scabbard) reinforced with metal additions to reinforce it. compares with this knife. The 5th type is in fact due to manufacturing errors (forgetting to stamp the blades or guards), but the knives were still accepted by the US Army Material Department (Ordnance corp). Military knife: These knives by Camillus are collectible especially if they were made for a historically significant branch of the Army or Navy. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. In fact, in the '30s Camillus had the reputation of being the highest quality maker of knives in the United States. My experience has taught me that there's nothing like digging in and getting started. In order to meet this need, the M1918 knife stock was distributed while waiting to design the ideal knife. A blade left over from the 1966 production was used to make that 1-1967 5733 knife. Is it a genuine vintage or merely a reproduction? Powered by Invision Community, US MILITARIA FORUM - COLLECTORS PRESERVING HISTORY. The Camillus prototype shop started work on improving the new M3 design. Throughout the Vietnam War, Camillus produced the GI four-blade utility knife, the pilot survival knife and the U.S. Marine Corps 7-inch . Omaha was defaced to prevent identification. The pommel washer can be either pinned with silk or set. SPRING HILL CUTLERY (eBay: bargainseller02). The table below shows you different tang stamp designs and when they were circulated.Tang StampDescriptionYear/ Era3-line arch stamp1902-19154-line straight stamp with yearFeatures year of manufacture3-line straight stamp1916 the 1930s4-line straight stampThe 1930s mid-19453-line; non-italic fonts; short underline1946 19503-line; non-italic, full underline; no dots (USA., not U.S.A.)1960 the 1970s3-line stamp; full underline; dotted U.S.A.; italicsThe 1970s 1980s3-line stamp; dotted U.S.A.; mixed caps1989 2007Camillus Knife Tang Stamps and their Eras. If the Marines had a Para knife You have to be careful with this one as it is very similar to a few others. To understand the Camillus M3, you need to know a bit about the history of the company that originally designed it. Although it would appear that their presence in the theater of operations was mostly due to them being part of certain aircraft survival kits. Camillus started making the JPSKs in 1959. has the Mark 2 pommel not the M3 version. These sheaths are in a very different style from the Did your Camillus knife go to the war? They did not adopt this knife, as we know the M3 was A Kent marked with Indian Trail and large brass rivets, J-9 marked is another Kent prototype with domed steel Presuming the knife and scabbard were issued together (and it is quite likely that they were), you can date this knife to 1944. Hello everyone it has been a while since I've been here. The company then had 20 employees. Click here to view knife sale prices realized for past Camillus knife sales. While somewhat similar the fullered blade knives are a distinct model and are most often associated with the USAAF, not the Navy. The 4th is actually the result of the assembly of blades of the 2nd type and guards of the 3rd type. U.S. M8 + Manufacturer's name It is said to have been used on knives manufactured from the early 1930s to the mid 1940s. joined the originals, now we have all that were present at the time of the Hope this information and photos helps . Both have black plastic pommel. Case (W.R. Case & sounds) --> 300,465 pieces, if it was in Vietnam it must have been with some other folks not the US knife for training and issue. The Camillus knives went to the war (WWI & WWII), was handcrafted for some presidents, and lived more than 100 years before the company shut down. This is a very nice used Camillus scout/utility knife sporting some fantastic Rogers Bone handles. Camillus Manufactures a Quality Hunting Knife, Folding Knife & Fixed Blade Knife with a Lifetime Warranty. Unknown Hunting Knife: Kent was a trade name used by F W Thank you KLJ77. The STA-SHARP brand was made by Camillus for Sears Roebuck c. 1924-1941. FREE SHIPPING FOR . This variation was the last Camillus made USMC marked version made in WW2. Its history did not stop there since it was distributed until stocks were exhausted. Soldiers of the French army also benefited from it for many years, since the M3 took part in the fighting in Korea, Indochina and Algeria. Camillus Design Partners Knives, machetes and tools designed by the best in the business. Camillus hadnt always had business problems. with steel domed rivets. The handles are engraved with information and images of Kar Products and are chip and crack free. No damage or repairs. apart. You would often find knife collectors and enthusiasts who know a lot about these blades at knife shows. scabbard marked with the Eagle, Globe and Anchor is a current reproduction There are a significant number of different varietiessome historians say as many as 42. This was where he first got a taste for cutlery, which would later shape the man he became and the company he launched. At the end of the war, the decision to ramp up capacity paid off as Camillus could now make its knives and still churn others out under contract. Most examples of even the 1-1967 marked knives are made with a sterile blade. December 15, 2017 in EDGED WEAPONS. You have entered an incorrect email address! This is an early Marbles design with a The Like the stamp shown directly above this one, you have to be careful as it is very similar to a few others. BryanJ- Besides the single pinned pommel, other ways to spot a 90s Camillus blade stamped repro is the color of the finish, originals are a bluish-black, not gray parkerizing, and the original "CAMILLUS" blade stamp is way smaller than the US M3, not almost the same size as the newer ones. These fakes are even made with materials that age fast, tricking you into thinking that the knife has indeed seen a lot of years. Then in issue to troops, the M3 having been first produced and issued in 1943. $39.00. The tang stamp shown here is known as Camillus' four line stamp. The pommel is 6mm thick. We see this one constantly on sale as a "Vietnam They are the same size which is the size of a Mark I or Jet Fighter Pilot Knife. I believe youre more interested in dating the vintage ones, though, so the other era guides on that list are best suited to your needs. The large guard is nickel Knife is in very good, unused condition. The handle was stacked leather with a series of cut grooves. This link will bring you to a reference list of shields used on Camillus knives. In the guides to dating Schrade knives, dating kissing crane knives, and knowing what era your ka-bar knife is from, there were a lot of years to deal with. The handle diameter was larger (1.2 inches wide) and had a pinned-on stepped pommel 1.35 inches wide. Your dad's pilots survival knife looks like it's in excellent condition. This camp knife has "High Carbon Steel" on the tang stamp.

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